Powerpro Competitor
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Re: Powerpro Competitor
FYI, this gentleman was not a traveling academy instructor!
- dusty
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Re: Powerpro Competitor
Good Morning, Mike. Merry Christmas. Haven't seen you on the circuit for a long while now. Are you "retired"?
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Re: Powerpro Competitor
I saw Mike at a Lowe's demo in Layton, UT 3 or 4 weeks ago.
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Re: Powerpro Competitor
He says that he is (now was?) a Shopsmith Salesman/demonstrator, working for Shopsmith. This is stated in a videohe published in 2017 his first video. So he was either an employee of Shopsmith or an outside contractor? Either way, his system gets you thinking. I stay put with my factory powerpro however...
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Re: Powerpro Competitor
First, Welcome here(again) Mike Young!
The low speed attained with a PP and speed reducer is 250/7 = 35.7 rpm.
If 'he' talked down to prospective customers as he does in his videos, it would be no surprise to me that he was a starving salesman.
As for his alternative DVR implementation, he(actually teknatool) has eliminated the most onerous negative attributes of the PP.(power off reboot for one and remote is a nice feature), but the upper speed range is not improved over the Reeves drive. It does give the low speed range a significant increase downward.
I for one do not see any advantage of his 'alternative' and do see some potential pitfalls(after sale support is highly questionable).
Come back soon and often Mike!
The low speed attained with a PP and speed reducer is 250/7 = 35.7 rpm.
If 'he' talked down to prospective customers as he does in his videos, it would be no surprise to me that he was a starving salesman.
As for his alternative DVR implementation, he(actually teknatool) has eliminated the most onerous negative attributes of the PP.(power off reboot for one and remote is a nice feature), but the upper speed range is not improved over the Reeves drive. It does give the low speed range a significant increase downward.
I for one do not see any advantage of his 'alternative' and do see some potential pitfalls(after sale support is highly questionable).
Come back soon and often Mike!
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Re: Powerpro Competitor
I think the concept of using this motor is great, but agree with JPG's view above that I would be highly concerned about after sales support. I've also avoided the PowerPro upgrade for much the same reason after seeing these threads of non-response, months to get fixed, etc.
One option that springs to mind is an open source hardware (and software if the OEM unit is programmable) project. Detailed CAD drawings and files that could be used to manually machine or CNC necessary highly unique parts (motor mounts), specifications and suggested sources for pulleys, bearings, and etc., modification templates, instructions, and so forth. Any person or company could offer parts for sale as long as they adhered to the specs, and if deviating from the specs would need to release those new drawings/files back to the project. But owners could take the same freely available specs to a local machine shop and have the same parts made locally. Many of the 3D printers that come in a hard core kit format were developed somewhat this fashion and even some of the more commercial offerings still have some hardware and/or software components that are based on open source.
One option that springs to mind is an open source hardware (and software if the OEM unit is programmable) project. Detailed CAD drawings and files that could be used to manually machine or CNC necessary highly unique parts (motor mounts), specifications and suggested sources for pulleys, bearings, and etc., modification templates, instructions, and so forth. Any person or company could offer parts for sale as long as they adhered to the specs, and if deviating from the specs would need to release those new drawings/files back to the project. But owners could take the same freely available specs to a local machine shop and have the same parts made locally. Many of the 3D printers that come in a hard core kit format were developed somewhat this fashion and even some of the more commercial offerings still have some hardware and/or software components that are based on open source.
Roy
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Way too much other stuff and not enough space
Mark V/510, Mark V/500 with parts for 510 upgrade, bandsaw, jointer, belt sander, DC3300 w/1 micron bag
Sawstop 3HP 36" PCS w/router table insert
Home designed and built CNC router, another CNC router desktop size
CNCed G0704 milling machine
Laser engraver
Way too much other stuff and not enough space
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Re: Powerpro Competitor
I started a Separate Thread for this topic: DVR motor for a 10E / 10ER
See http://www.shopsmith.com/ss_forum/viewt ... 12#p255212
This will allow us to explore that separately since this thread was for a Mark V alternative "Power Pro Competitor" topically
Skip Campbell and others have successfully retrofitted other motors for the 10E / 10ER including re-purposed treadmill motors.
Everett
See http://www.shopsmith.com/ss_forum/viewt ... 12#p255212
This will allow us to explore that separately since this thread was for a Mark V alternative "Power Pro Competitor" topically
Skip Campbell and others have successfully retrofitted other motors for the 10E / 10ER including re-purposed treadmill motors.
Everett
Re: Powerpro Competitor
I'm usually too busy to visit you guys here on the forum. I am in a different city at a different Lowe's all across the country 42-45 weeks a year.
Mike
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Re: Powerpro Competitor
Well, I guess that answers my question! You have not yet retired.
Are you the lone-wolf or do you now have partners that do the same?
http://www.shopsmith.com/markvsite/event_schedule.htm
Note that there is no reference to whom the demonstrator might be.
Are you the lone-wolf or do you now have partners that do the same?
http://www.shopsmith.com/markvsite/event_schedule.htm
Note that there is no reference to whom the demonstrator might be.
"Making Sawdust Safely"
Dusty
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Re: Powerpro Competitor
Dusty,
I am definitely the lone wolf. From the 15 events on the SS event schedule, 11 are mine. That’s typical .
Mike
I am definitely the lone wolf. From the 15 events on the SS event schedule, 11 are mine. That’s typical .
Mike