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Re: Powerpro Competitor

#255243 by dusty » Thu Dec 27, 2018 6:37 am

mlyoung wrote:Dusty,
I am definitely the lone wolf. From the 15 events on the SS event schedule, 11 are mine. That’s typical .
Mike


I do hope this is the way you want it. That has to be a grueling schedule to keep.

Best Wishes for the New Year. I'll be watching the tour schedule.

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Re: Powerpro Competitor

#255323 by beeg » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:46 pm

procrastinator wrote:The "For The Love Of Wood" web site has a very interesting Powerpro alternative!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJEbHGBGc5s


Can you say copyright infringement?
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Re: Powerpro Competitor

#255325 by JPG » Sat Dec 29, 2018 11:03 pm

beeg wrote:
procrastinator wrote:The "For The Love Of Wood" web site has a very interesting Powerpro alternative!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJEbHGBGc5s


Can you sat copyright infringement?


Band saw makes some 'interesting' noise. :rolleyes:

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Re: Powerpro Competitor

#255332 by Ed in Tampa » Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:38 am

JPG wrote:
beeg wrote:
procrastinator wrote:The "For The Love Of Wood" web site has a very interesting Powerpro alternative!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJEbHGBGc5s


Can you sat copyright infringement?


Band saw makes some 'interesting' noise. :rolleyes:



About the same noise of all Shopsmith bandsaws that I have heard, including mine.

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Re: Powerpro Competitor

#255337 by JPG » Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:56 am

Ed in Tampa wrote:
JPG wrote:
beeg wrote:
Can you sat copyright infringement?


Band saw makes some 'interesting' noise. :rolleyes:



About the same noise of all Shopsmith bandsaws that I have heard, including mine.


Your blades are skidding on the bearings. ;) Granted it is momentary. His seems far noisier than mine.

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Re: Powerpro Competitor

#255347 by jdonovan » Sun Dec 30, 2018 3:43 pm

The Powerpro unit looks cleaner, as if it was original, not retro fitted.
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Re: Powerpro Competitor

#255351 by Gene Howe » Sun Dec 30, 2018 6:00 pm

Very entertaining and informative discussions. Think this old man will stick with his MK Vs. We understand each other.

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Re: Powerpro Competitor

#255370 by RFGuy » Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:38 am

This is my first post on this forum, but I have owned a Shopsmith for 2 decades now and before that used my Dad's Shopsmith. I have always been a fan of Shopsmith, but unfortunately my Shopsmith has collected dust in the intervening years as work and family took precedent for a while. I have recently started using it again and became aware of this forum. I have nothing but respect for the users of this forum and I am excited by some of the unique solutions I have seen members come up with, e.g. fixes to dust collection issues on the lower saw guard, sliding saw table, etc. I want to thank all of you for creating this great collection of advice and debate on many aspects of Shopsmith.

Having read the comments on this thread, I felt that I had to offer my 1.5 cents here. Like many of you, I have some concerns about the viability of Shopsmith. I continue to be a fan and supporter. A few years back when it looked like they were going out of business, I bought accessories that I needed and some that I didn't...just to make sure that I had everything should the unthinkable happen to them. I have been salivating over the PowerPro the past few years, but I just have not been able to pull the trigger for the following reasons:


1. It is just too expensive. The Striatech guts can be had for about a third of what Shopsmith wants. I have been unemployed all year since having a double bypass heart operation last year, so now I really can't afford it. If the DIY version from Shopsmith was maybe a grand then I could consider it, but it costs practically as much as a brand new PowerPro headstock now.

2. It "can" overheat (not to mention RFI/EMI issues). As an engineer, I understand the problems here so I am just not quite ready to jump on board with the PowerPro...not unless I have some backup controls for when it fails. Keeping my existing, lower power headstock should last the rest of my lifetime with routine maintenance.


3. I hate the controls. I know this might be my own quirk, but I hate membrane keypads. Tactile feel is not good and they often fail prematurely compared to other switch choices. Honestly, for the price of a PowerPro, I should get a decent size LCD screen with touchscreen control.


Does this PowerPro competitor solve all these issues? No, but at least someone is making an attempt. I know there will be legal challenges, but either way this alternative solution won't survive. The PowerPro has been out long enough that those who can afford it and want to switch have already done so. As a result, Shopsmith continues to hike the price of the PowerPro since its debut to maximize revenue on limited sales volume. I would guess that the number of people on the sidelines, like myself, are relatively few. I predict that he is selling to a niche of a niche market and before long will decide this isn't worth it. At least he made an attempt to address some of the weaknesses that I perceive of the PowerPro. Sorry my first post was kind of long, but just wanted to give an alternative viewpoint. I am looking forward to the future when we hopefully have a PowerPro Model 2 version and I can afford it then.

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Re: Powerpro Competitor

#255371 by algale » Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:51 am

Welcome to the Forum and nice first post. I agree with all three of your points.

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Re: Powerpro Competitor

#255375 by JPG » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:30 am

algale wrote:Welcome to the Forum and nice first post. I agree with all three of your points.

+1

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