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Re: Tailstock extension

#261038 by sehast » Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:46 pm

Longer tubes is not a bad idea if you can live with a longer Shopsmith for everything else. I replaced my stock tubes with thicker walled way tubes and in the case of the bench tubes solid steel precision ground tubes. The price I paid to online metal venders was less than replacement stock tubes from Shopsmith and the quality was outstanding. So longer tubes are a possibility and you should have no worries about the structural stability.

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Re: Tailstock extension

#261039 by RFGuy » Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:11 pm

sehast wrote:Longer tubes is not a bad idea if you can live with a longer Shopsmith for everything else. I replaced my stock tubes with thicker walled way tubes and in the case of the bench tubes solid steel precision ground tubes. The price I paid to online metal venders was less than replacement stock tubes from Shopsmith and the quality was outstanding. So longer tubes are a possibility and you should have no worries about the structural stability.

Thanks. Yeah, I thought about thicker walled tubes for my Shopsmith after reading a past forum thread on DOM tubing. My thought was to add a bit more weight and rigidity for woodturning. Is this why you did it for your Shopsmith or another reason? Why not use the same tubing for both waytybes and bench tubes? Cost? Do you still have the vendor names and part numbers that you ordered from online?

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Re: Tailstock extension

#261042 by sehast » Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:36 pm

My reason was to provide more heft for the table saw function and to gain a long lasting setup for my tables and fence. Before it seemed like I was always aligning stuff. I first started with solid precision ground steel connector rods and after they worked so well I got the bench and way tubes also. I was upgrading from original Greenie bases to the double tilt so I had to get different tubes anyway. I went with the 1/4" walled tubes for the way tubes because I thought it would get too heavy to lift to the drill press position. That was a mistake because I also eventually got a lift assist and the solid steel tubes would have been no problem. After all the work I think it made a big difference. It added about 100 pounds to the Shopsmith and I have not had to do any alignments since. When I set up in the table saw mode I can depend on the fence, blade and miter slots to be aligned whether the fence is on the main table or one of the floating or end tables. And the connector rods always align with the 2 end tables I have on both sides of the main table, something I never was able to do before. Stability is great. I balanced a dime and a nickle on the main table and started to run the motor up from 500 RPM. The dime fell over when I got to 3,000 RPM and the nickle was still standing at 10,000 RPM.

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Re: Tailstock extension

#261061 by RFGuy » Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:38 am

sehast wrote:My reason was to provide more heft for the table saw function and to gain a long lasting setup for my tables and fence. Before it seemed like I was always aligning stuff. I first started with solid precision ground steel connector rods and after they worked so well I got the bench and way tubes also. I was upgrading from original Greenie bases to the double tilt so I had to get different tubes anyway. I went with the 1/4" walled tubes for the way tubes because I thought it would get too heavy to lift to the drill press position. That was a mistake because I also eventually got a lift assist and the solid steel tubes would have been no problem. After all the work I think it made a big difference. It added about 100 pounds to the Shopsmith and I have not had to do any alignments since. When I set up in the table saw mode I can depend on the fence, blade and miter slots to be aligned whether the fence is on the main table or one of the floating or end tables. And the connector rods always align with the 2 end tables I have on both sides of the main table, something I never was able to do before. Stability is great. I balanced a dime and a nickle on the main table and started to run the motor up from 500 RPM. The dime fell over when I got to 3,000 RPM and the nickle was still standing at 10,000 RPM.

Thanks. I found your post (https://shopsmith.com/ss_forum/maintenance-and-repair-f10/510-520-table-connector-tube-length-t19880-s10.html) from 2017 where you talked about the solid connector tubes. I guess I would have thought over the short distance these are used that a hollow tube would have been rigid enough for connecting main table to aux table, but if your alignment improved after upgrading to these, I should consider it. For the waytubes, you say you got 1/4" thick tubing. Do you remember the supplier you got these from? Or does anyone else have recommended suppliers for thick wall tubing for way/bench tube replacements?

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Re: Tailstock extension

#261062 by sehast » Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:46 pm

Here is the link.

https://www.metalsdepot.com/cold-finish ... l-shafting

If I had it to do over again I would use these for all the tubes: Connector, Way and Bench. I got the 1/4" walled (DOM I think) for the way tubes but the solid ground ones would have been better. I did change a lot of things all at once. The double tilt bases may have had a lot to do with my alignment improvement but I am very happy with the heavier Shopsmith overall.

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Re: Tailstock extension

#261064 by jsburger » Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:10 pm

RFGuy wrote:
sehast wrote:My reason was to provide more heft for the table saw function and to gain a long lasting setup for my tables and fence. Before it seemed like I was always aligning stuff. I first started with solid precision ground steel connector rods and after they worked so well I got the bench and way tubes also. I was upgrading from original Greenie bases to the double tilt so I had to get different tubes anyway. I went with the 1/4" walled tubes for the way tubes because I thought it would get too heavy to lift to the drill press position. That was a mistake because I also eventually got a lift assist and the solid steel tubes would have been no problem. After all the work I think it made a big difference. It added about 100 pounds to the Shopsmith and I have not had to do any alignments since. When I set up in the table saw mode I can depend on the fence, blade and miter slots to be aligned whether the fence is on the main table or one of the floating or end tables. And the connector rods always align with the 2 end tables I have on both sides of the main table, something I never was able to do before. Stability is great. I balanced a dime and a nickle on the main table and started to run the motor up from 500 RPM. The dime fell over when I got to 3,000 RPM and the nickle was still standing at 10,000 RPM.

Thanks. I found your post (https://shopsmith.com/ss_forum/maintenance-and-repair-f10/510-520-table-connector-tube-length-t19880-s10.html) from 2017 where you talked about the solid connector tubes. I guess I would have thought over the short distance these are used that a hollow tube would have been rigid enough for connecting main table to aux table, but if your alignment improved after upgrading to these, I should consider it. For the waytubes, you say you got 1/4" thick tubing. Do you remember the supplier you got these from? Or does anyone else have recommended suppliers for thick wall tubing for way/bench tube replacements?


I have thick wall 10ER tubes on my dedicated drill press and I also have them as way tubes on my full sized Power Pro MK 7. They come up on eBay fairly regularly. I haven't checked prices but they may be cheaper than buying new. I did buy a set of thick wall SS 5' connector tubes from Metals Depot. They are dead straight and make a big difference.

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John & Mary Burger
Eagle's Lair Woodshop
Hooper, UT

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