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10ER Lathe height and Universal Tool Rest

#258905 by larryhrockisland » Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:08 pm

Made some plywood blocks to get the lathe up to 47" to center line of the spindle and I have the universal tool rest mounted too. The PO did the hanging drawers.

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Larry Hargrove
Rock Island, Ok
1981 Mark V 500>510>520(98922)
19?? Mark V 500>Power Pro headstock 556176 06-17-11 factory exchange program original serial unknown
1957 Mark V 500 (350389)
1953 10ER
Another 10ER
Bandsaw 2012 Jointer 2012
Bandsaw, Jointer, other goodies
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Re: 10ER Lathe height and Universal Tool Rest

#258907 by JPG » Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:31 pm

larryhrockisland wrote:Made some plywood blocks to get the lathe up to 47" to center line of the spindle and I have the universal tool rest mounted too. The PO did the hanging drawers.


Do be careful when near the back side of that chuck!!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

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Re: 10ER Lathe height and Universal Tool Rest

#258911 by larryhrockisland » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:57 am

JPG wrote:
larryhrockisland wrote:Made some plywood blocks to get the lathe up to 47" to center line of the spindle and I have the universal tool rest mounted too. The PO did the hanging drawers.


Do be careful when near the back side of that chuck!!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:


Totally Agree! I did put acorn nuts on the ends so it wouldn't be the raw end of the bolt and I have thought about painting them red too. I do stay on the front side and only use this to finish the bottom of the bowl. This is the first one I've made and I'm open to safer suggestions. I do like that the bowl is totally captured by the donut chuck.

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Larry Hargrove
Rock Island, Ok
1981 Mark V 500>510>520(98922)
19?? Mark V 500>Power Pro headstock 556176 06-17-11 factory exchange program original serial unknown
1957 Mark V 500 (350389)
1953 10ER
Another 10ER
Bandsaw 2012 Jointer 2012
Bandsaw, Jointer, other goodies
Craftsman table saw, Delta 46-460 Midi lathe

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Re: 10ER Lathe height and Universal Tool Rest

#258913 by BuckeyeDennis » Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:57 am

That universal tool rest looks good on a 10ER ... this is first time I’ve seen a pic of them mated up. Any issues mounting it?

As for the protruding bolts on your chuck, one option is to use threaded hex standoffs in between the chuck plates. You could leave them screwed on to the back chuck plate. Reasonably long standoffs (limited by your minimum workpiece length), plus maybe a couple of sets of front-plate screws in different lengths, should give you a good length-capacity range.

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Re: 10ER Lathe height and Universal Tool Rest

#258915 by ChrisNeilan » Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:03 am

Yes, tell us how you mounted the universal rest. I have one still in the box. I leave my 10er in the garage so I can do some outdoor turning in the nice weather. The neighbors are amazed when the curlies fly! My main shop is in the basement.

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Chris Neilan

Shopsmith Mark 7, Shopsmith Mark V 1982, shortened, Shopsmith 10 ER; Craftsman table saw (1964); Powermatic 3520B lathe

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Re: 10ER Lathe height and Universal Tool Rest

#258933 by JPG » Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:07 pm

I am guessing the 'center bolt' goes through the table height crank tapped hole in the top of the carriage.


But then what is that chuck of wood under the carriage for????

Perhaps the other holes in the round part are used?

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Re: 10ER Lathe height and Universal Tool Rest

#258934 by larryhrockisland » Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:47 pm

ChrisNeilan wrote:Yes, tell us how you mounted the universal rest. I have one still in the box. I leave my 10er in the garage so I can do some outdoor turning in the nice weather. The neighbors are amazed when the curlies fly! My main shop is in the basement.


Depends on which 10 you have. I have 2 10ER's, see my sig,they have two different carriages. One needed a spacer and one didn't.
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Mounted with spacer
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I bought a Robust 9"tool rest with 1" shaft to allow more height adjustment.
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9" Robust tool rest
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The stock SS tool rest is just barely below centerline. The specialty toolrests that came with my UTR package will go 5/16" below centerline. I don't know how well that works with the Easy Wood Tools
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Stock tool rest
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"S" shaped specialty tool rest
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Stock tool rest and S shape tool rest
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And finally, A mock up of an extension for the tailstock that will let you turn spindles 8 to 10" longer with the UTR without needing another carriage(I think, depending on your tool rest. This is the 9" Robust shown. I know there are other threads about waytube extensions. With the speed changer mounted I have 27" between centers. this extension would allow 38".
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Extension idea
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Headstock and UTR tight to the tailstock with full extension on the spindle and two different live centers.
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Craftsman, I think, live center
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Nova live center
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I also have a morse taper extension if needed.
Sorry for the long post, but I did get practice resizing pictures, attaching and placing them inline. :D
Cheers!

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Larry Hargrove
Rock Island, Ok
1981 Mark V 500>510>520(98922)
19?? Mark V 500>Power Pro headstock 556176 06-17-11 factory exchange program original serial unknown
1957 Mark V 500 (350389)
1953 10ER
Another 10ER
Bandsaw 2012 Jointer 2012
Bandsaw, Jointer, other goodies
Craftsman table saw, Delta 46-460 Midi lathe

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Re: 10ER Lathe height and Universal Tool Rest

#258939 by larryhrockisland » Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:45 pm

JPG wrote:I am guessing the 'center bolt' goes through the table height crank tapped hole in the top of the carriage.


But then what is that chuck of wood under the carriage for????

Perhaps the other holes in the round part are used?

The center bolt is a carriage bolt that nests in a recess in the base plate, it doesn't pass through the carriage. I probably could have used 2x spacer but needed something because there aren't enough threads otherwise. I'll double-check tomorrow and take a few more pics.

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Larry Hargrove
Rock Island, Ok
1981 Mark V 500>510>520(98922)
19?? Mark V 500>Power Pro headstock 556176 06-17-11 factory exchange program original serial unknown
1957 Mark V 500 (350389)
1953 10ER
Another 10ER
Bandsaw 2012 Jointer 2012
Bandsaw, Jointer, other goodies
Craftsman table saw, Delta 46-460 Midi lathe

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Re: 10ER Lathe height and Universal Tool Rest

#258940 by ChrisNeilan » Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:57 pm

Thanks for the info!

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Chris Neilan

Shopsmith Mark 7, Shopsmith Mark V 1982, shortened, Shopsmith 10 ER; Craftsman table saw (1964); Powermatic 3520B lathe

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Re: 10ER Lathe height and Universal Tool Rest

#258945 by BuckeyeDennis » Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:02 am

Awesome job on the photo’s, Larry, thanks much!

So it looks like the tool-rest height is the only significant compatibility issue, and that’s only an issue when using the short articulated arm on the UTR. If you mount a longer aftermarket tool rest in place of the short arm, can still you reach the back side of bowls and such? It seems to me that rigidity should be at least as good in that configuration.

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