Mark VII - Another journey begins
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Mark VII - Another journey begins
I picked up a Mark VII Sunday and will be refurbing it and will post pix etc as it goes. I like MickyD's index at the top of his journey(s) and will do the same here. I will split it into different threads as each major area is undertaken(so as to not create a humongous thread).
A few words about how I intend for this 'collection' to be used. One can begin from this thread and link to each of the 'sub' threads. Clicking on the 'return' arrow will bring you back to this 'top' thread. Using the 'close tab' function avoids the creation of a bunch of extra tabs. The link to this thread at the bottom of each 'sub' thread is intended to point here for those who encountered the 'sub' thread by other paths(search function etc.)
I am creating a second 'master' thread for the reassembly of the Mark VII.
http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?p=135519#post135519
Aluminum cam surprise = post #2
INDEX
Upper assembly breakdown http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?t=11385
Trunion Tweak http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?p=128409#post128409
Initial headstock breakdown http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?p=128413#post128413
Vacuum breakdown http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?p=129548#post129548
Switch interlock lock and motor mount http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?p=129550#post129550
Power switch http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?p=128417#post128417
Quill feed and quill http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?p=129551#post129551
Speed Control Breakdown http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?t=11505
Main Shaft Breakdown http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?t=11519
Belt Cover Breakdown http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?t=11769
Idler Shaft Breakdown http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?t=11809
Headstock Lock and Crank breakdown http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?t=11810
Counter Shaft Breakdown http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?t=11811
Headstock Misc. Breakdown http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?t=11812
Motor Breakdown http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?p=135172#post135172
Lower tubes Breakdown http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?p=142861#post142861
Carriage Breakdown http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?p=142982#post142982
Main Table Breakdown http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?t=12647
Extension Table Breakdown http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?t=12649
Rip Fence Breakdown http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?t=12650
Base Assembly Breakdown http://www.shopsmith.com/ss_forum/viewt ... 90#p187888
Misc - Miter Gauge, Tail Stock and Tool Rest Breakdown http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?t=12764
Shaper Fence http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?t=12792
I will identify items that are of particular interest by their 'size'.
Bearings:
Main shaft................................ 25 x 52 x 15 mm - Same as 10E/er, Mark 5, Mark V
A O Smith Motor........................ 17 x 40 x 12 mm - same as all but Emerson 1 1/8 which has one with 5/8" id.
Quill ......................................5/8" x 35mm x 11mm - same as M5/V etc.
Idler shaft(2 bearings).....................Same as quill bearing *
* did not determine when assembled - appears as described after assembly.
Tension pins:
Speed control cam to shaft...................... 1/8" x 3/4"
Speed control cam follower..2 pins............. 1/8" x 1/2"
Carriage - headstock connect stop............ 1/8" x 1/2"
Tilt clamps ........................................... 1/8" x 5/8"
Carriage lock handle ............................... 1/8" x 1 1/2"
Rip fence lock handle pivot ...................... 1/8" x 7/8"
Rip fence rear clamp pivot........................ 3/16" x 1 1/4"
Rip fence front clamp pivot ...................... 3/16" x 1 1/4"
Miter Gauge clamp pivot .......................... ?? x ??
Foot pedal ............................................ 5/32" x 1 1/2"
Paint is gray wrinkle.
There are several design details that were a precursor to the Mark V 505-520.
The table height crank and lock.
The carriage lock.
The shaper fence mounts to two holes in the main table.
As advertised on E-Bay
Paint chipped on headstock and slight rust spots on base.
First post will be showing a 'surprise'.
A few words about how I intend for this 'collection' to be used. One can begin from this thread and link to each of the 'sub' threads. Clicking on the 'return' arrow will bring you back to this 'top' thread. Using the 'close tab' function avoids the creation of a bunch of extra tabs. The link to this thread at the bottom of each 'sub' thread is intended to point here for those who encountered the 'sub' thread by other paths(search function etc.)
I am creating a second 'master' thread for the reassembly of the Mark VII.
http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?p=135519#post135519
Aluminum cam surprise = post #2
INDEX
Upper assembly breakdown http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?t=11385
Trunion Tweak http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?p=128409#post128409
Initial headstock breakdown http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?p=128413#post128413
Vacuum breakdown http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?p=129548#post129548
Switch interlock lock and motor mount http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?p=129550#post129550
Power switch http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?p=128417#post128417
Quill feed and quill http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?p=129551#post129551
Speed Control Breakdown http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?t=11505
Main Shaft Breakdown http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?t=11519
Belt Cover Breakdown http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?t=11769
Idler Shaft Breakdown http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?t=11809
Headstock Lock and Crank breakdown http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?t=11810
Counter Shaft Breakdown http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?t=11811
Headstock Misc. Breakdown http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?t=11812
Motor Breakdown http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?p=135172#post135172
Lower tubes Breakdown http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?p=142861#post142861
Carriage Breakdown http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?p=142982#post142982
Main Table Breakdown http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?t=12647
Extension Table Breakdown http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?t=12649
Rip Fence Breakdown http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?t=12650
Base Assembly Breakdown http://www.shopsmith.com/ss_forum/viewt ... 90#p187888
Misc - Miter Gauge, Tail Stock and Tool Rest Breakdown http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?t=12764
Shaper Fence http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?t=12792
I will identify items that are of particular interest by their 'size'.
Bearings:
Main shaft................................ 25 x 52 x 15 mm - Same as 10E/er, Mark 5, Mark V
A O Smith Motor........................ 17 x 40 x 12 mm - same as all but Emerson 1 1/8 which has one with 5/8" id.
Quill ......................................5/8" x 35mm x 11mm - same as M5/V etc.
Idler shaft(2 bearings).....................Same as quill bearing *
* did not determine when assembled - appears as described after assembly.
Tension pins:
Speed control cam to shaft...................... 1/8" x 3/4"
Speed control cam follower..2 pins............. 1/8" x 1/2"
Carriage - headstock connect stop............ 1/8" x 1/2"
Tilt clamps ........................................... 1/8" x 5/8"
Carriage lock handle ............................... 1/8" x 1 1/2"
Rip fence lock handle pivot ...................... 1/8" x 7/8"
Rip fence rear clamp pivot........................ 3/16" x 1 1/4"
Rip fence front clamp pivot ...................... 3/16" x 1 1/4"
Miter Gauge clamp pivot .......................... ?? x ??
Foot pedal ............................................ 5/32" x 1 1/2"
Paint is gray wrinkle.
There are several design details that were a precursor to the Mark V 505-520.
The table height crank and lock.
The carriage lock.
The shaper fence mounts to two holes in the main table.
As advertised on E-Bay
Paint chipped on headstock and slight rust spots on base.
First post will be showing a 'surprise'.
Last edited by JPG on Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:13 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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Surprise! One good, one not so
MVIIJOURNEY
When examining the condition of 'the cam' I discovered a surprise = it is cast aluminum. Paperwork indicates the cam was purchased in 1990 with a few other parts.
[ATTACH]18781[/ATTACH]
Also indicated in this pix is the other less desirable 'surprise'. The control sheave is not 'whole'. Hopefully JB Weld etc. will remedy that.
Not sure where the fuzzy wuzzy stuff came from nor if it indicates another problem.
When examining the condition of 'the cam' I discovered a surprise = it is cast aluminum. Paperwork indicates the cam was purchased in 1990 with a few other parts.
[ATTACH]18781[/ATTACH]
Also indicated in this pix is the other less desirable 'surprise'. The control sheave is not 'whole'. Hopefully JB Weld etc. will remedy that.
Not sure where the fuzzy wuzzy stuff came from nor if it indicates another problem.
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Mark Vii Upper Assembly Breakdown
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It came from CA in 1990. Letter states that all parts were scavenged and there were only a few left. A control sheave was also obtained at that time.drdale wrote:Sure would be great to figure out who made it and where it came from.
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Goldie(Bought New SN 377425)/4" jointer/6" beltsander/12" planer/stripsander/bandsaw/powerstation /Scroll saw/Jig saw /Craftsman 10" ras/Craftsman 6" thicknessplaner/ Dayton10"tablesaw(restoredfromneighborstrashpile)/ Mark VII restoration in 'progress'/ 10E[/size](SN E3779) restoration in progress, a 510 on the back burner and a growing pile of items to be eventually returned to useful life. - aka Red Grange
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Goldie(Bought New SN 377425)/4" jointer/6" beltsander/12" planer/stripsander/bandsaw/powerstation /Scroll saw/Jig saw /Craftsman 10" ras/Craftsman 6" thicknessplaner/ Dayton10"tablesaw(restoredfromneighborstrashpile)/ Mark VII restoration in 'progress'/ 10E[/size](SN E3779) restoration in progress, a 510 on the back burner and a growing pile of items to be eventually returned to useful life. - aka Red Grange
Great information, here, JPG. Having never seen a Mark VII in person, I'm enjoying the teardown and the detailed pictures.
One suggestion I'd like to make however, would be to keep all of it in one thread instead of a separate thread for each component.
One suggestion I'd like to make however, would be to keep all of it in one thread instead of a separate thread for each component.
Heath
Central Louisiana
-10ER - SN 13927, Born 1949, Acquired October 2008, Restored November, 2008
-10ER - SN 35630, Born 1950, Acquired April 2009, Restored May 2009, A34 Jigsaw
-Mark V - SN 212052, Born 1986, Acquired Sept 2009, Restored March 2010, Bandsaw
-10ER - SN 39722, Born 1950, Acquired March 2011, awaiting restoration
Central Louisiana
-10ER - SN 13927, Born 1949, Acquired October 2008, Restored November, 2008
-10ER - SN 35630, Born 1950, Acquired April 2009, Restored May 2009, A34 Jigsaw
-Mark V - SN 212052, Born 1986, Acquired Sept 2009, Restored March 2010, Bandsaw
-10ER - SN 39722, Born 1950, Acquired March 2011, awaiting restoration
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heathicus wrote:Great information, here, JPG. Having never seen a Mark VII in person, I'm enjoying the teardown and the detailed pictures.
One suggestion I'd like to make however, would be to keep all of it in one thread instead of a separate thread for each component.
I understand that suggestion, but I made a conscious decision to do it the way I have started.
My 'thinking' is that the individual threads can provide quicker answers than having to read down through a humongous thread.
This does have a potential problem if one is continually linking to the 'sub' threads and linking back from them rather than closing the tab to return back. Each link would create a new tab etc.
I am trying to accomplish two different schemes. One can locate the 'sub' threads with the search function or link and return to the top thread. The link at the bottom of each 'sub' thread allows one to 'discover' the top thread.
We shall see how it turns out. I am trying to avoid an extremely long thread similar to MickyD's. Not that I think this one could get that large, since I do not intend to get into detail that repeats things already posted elsewhere(rust removal techniques, painting etc.).
My main purpose is to illustrate the Mark VII details and how I managed them and to provide Mark VII references.
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Goldie(Bought New SN 377425)/4" jointer/6" beltsander/12" planer/stripsander/bandsaw/powerstation /Scroll saw/Jig saw /Craftsman 10" ras/Craftsman 6" thicknessplaner/ Dayton10"tablesaw(restoredfromneighborstrashpile)/ Mark VII restoration in 'progress'/ 10E[/size](SN E3779) restoration in progress, a 510 on the back burner and a growing pile of items to be eventually returned to useful life. - aka Red Grange
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Goldie(Bought New SN 377425)/4" jointer/6" beltsander/12" planer/stripsander/bandsaw/powerstation /Scroll saw/Jig saw /Craftsman 10" ras/Craftsman 6" thicknessplaner/ Dayton10"tablesaw(restoredfromneighborstrashpile)/ Mark VII restoration in 'progress'/ 10E[/size](SN E3779) restoration in progress, a 510 on the back burner and a growing pile of items to be eventually returned to useful life. - aka Red Grange
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Obviously I'm in the minority and if this format works best for everybody else, then stick with it. I just find it chaotic and hard to follow. But that's just me and I can be ignored.
Heath
Central Louisiana
-10ER - SN 13927, Born 1949, Acquired October 2008, Restored November, 2008
-10ER - SN 35630, Born 1950, Acquired April 2009, Restored May 2009, A34 Jigsaw
-Mark V - SN 212052, Born 1986, Acquired Sept 2009, Restored March 2010, Bandsaw
-10ER - SN 39722, Born 1950, Acquired March 2011, awaiting restoration
Central Louisiana
-10ER - SN 13927, Born 1949, Acquired October 2008, Restored November, 2008
-10ER - SN 35630, Born 1950, Acquired April 2009, Restored May 2009, A34 Jigsaw
-Mark V - SN 212052, Born 1986, Acquired Sept 2009, Restored March 2010, Bandsaw
-10ER - SN 39722, Born 1950, Acquired March 2011, awaiting restoration