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Re: Powerpro Competitor

#258200 by procrastinator » Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:07 am

I just finished watching the latest YouTube posting for the "DIGITALPLUS" the new name for the PowerPro alternate. This is a basic introduction to do a DYI conversion like the Shopsmith DVD. I used the SS DVD, and printed step by step instructions to completed my conversion to PowerPro 3 or 4 years ago, without any problems. As best as I can determine the "DIGITALPLUS" costs $1,350 to do it yourself. I checked the SS site today and the DYI package is on sale for $1,537. If I had not already been familiar with the steps in the conversion using the excellent SS instructions I would find his directions inadequate. If I were going to make the purchase today, I would still pick the Shopsmith. If the cost was well under $1,000 I might think otherwise!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX5XIr8v-cc

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Re: Powerpro Competitor

#258206 by JPG » Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:17 am

I am surprised SS has not sent it's lawyer to see him like they did Bill Mayo!

I see little original thinking and too much 'you can get stuff needed elsewhere'.

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Re: Powerpro Competitor

#258208 by RFGuy » Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:53 am

Yeah, the price would have needed to come in closer to $1k for this for the DIY version in my opinion. With the Shopsmith sale, there isn't a compelling enough reason to go with his version over the Shopsmith one. I don't remember any more how much he wanted for the full headstock conversion because his website is down, but doesn't seem like much difference in price for full conversion versus DIY from him.

What did Bill Mayo do that got him in trouble with Shopsmith?

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Re: Powerpro Competitor

#258211 by sehast » Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:13 am

The prices are almost the same when you factor in the new quill parts you get with Shopsmith's. This is definitely not a compelling deal.

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Re: Powerpro Competitor

#258216 by dusty » Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:56 am

JPG wrote:I am surprised SS has not sent it's lawyer to see him like they did Bill Mayo!

I see little original thinking and too much 'you can get stuff needed elsewhere'.


Why? All that he is really doing is providing an alternate way to purchase similar (almost the same) hardware.

Is he doing anything for which a patent would be appropriate? I don't think so.

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Re: Powerpro Competitor

#258228 by JPG » Wed Mar 20, 2019 7:09 pm

I did not think Bill was doing anything that threatened SS in any way either. However the cease and desist included not having any SS logo or wording on anything in his 'booth', not any on his clothing and the SS machines he was displaying.

Asinine IMO but when lawyers think they can bully, they do.

Bill was merely displaying rebuilt SS at a craft/home/(?) show venue. He may have been selling the used SS, but I think his repair service was the prime intention.

As for Mr alternative, he clearly is copying what SS did with the Powerpro as far as mounting etc.. Understandable as there are few to none alternative approaches. I doubt that stuff is patentable.

Since Bill could not 'display' SS, I think uttering the word Shopsmith is in the same genre.

Maybe Mr. Gale can enlighten us on this.

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Re: Powerpro Competitor

#258233 by algale » Wed Mar 20, 2019 7:22 pm

JPG wrote:
Maybe Mr. Gale can enlighten us on this.


Nope. Not my field of expertise.

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Re: Powerpro Competitor

#258260 by RFGuy » Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:04 am

Okay, I know I have already posted too much on this topic, but maybe just one more. I did watch some of this DIY install video that he posted and had a few observations.

1. If you watch during the first few seconds, you can see "YOUR TITLE HERE" scroll up underneath his actual title. Guess he forgot to remove that in post production. :)

2. I still like that the newer Striatech controls have an Analog knob for adjusting the speed. I know it is probably being sampled and converted to digital behind it, but the fact that you can fine tune speed with an actual knob just appeals to me from a UI standpoint.

3. This is the first video where I have seen the controls actually used on this newer Striatech box. I like how he can push buttons, e.g. speed presets and just hit ON. Correct me if I am wrong, but don't you also have a "confirm" step that is needed on the PowerPro? I know they want safety, but these UI things always irk me like the legal statement approval on a GPS in a car, etc. I hate redundant steps.

4. The function button cycling looks nice for quickly adjusting from a preset speed, i.e. pressing more than once ups the speed for you.

5. I like the nice big LCD screen that is easy to read.

I know a lot of things that I like are just items that Striatech has continued to improve on since they sold the original system to Shopsmith. In one sense, it is not Shopsmith's fault that the PowerPro is starting to look dated now in comparison because it has been unchanged now for what 8 years? They have to sell a platform and by keeping the PowerPro constant they have a consistent user experience which can be a plus.

I have already spent too much money on tools already this year, so I can't justify a PowerPro being unemployed right now. I hope to get into woodturning more in the future, so I may have to finally break down and buy a PowerPro for it on the low speed end. Until then, please indulge my musings about what I wish Shopsmith would do/add to the PowerPro…unfortunately, I don't see them changing anything anytime soon. I mean if they can't update more than the cover on a book, how are they going to release PowerPro Rev2?

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Re: Powerpro Competitor

#258261 by Ed in Tampa » Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:11 am

JPG wrote:I did not think Bill was doing anything that threatened SS in any way either. However the cease and desist included not having any SS logo or wording on anything in his 'booth', not any on his clothing and the SS machines he was displaying.

Asinine IMO but when lawyers think they can bully, they do.

Bill was merely displaying rebuilt SS at a craft/home/(?) show venue. He may have been selling the used SS, but I think his repair service was the prime intention.

As for Mr alternative, he clearly is copying what SS did with the Powerpro as far as mounting etc.. Understandable as there are few to none alternative approaches. I doubt that stuff is patentable.

Since Bill could not 'display' SS, I think uttering the word Shopsmith is in the same genre.

Maybe Mr. Gale can enlighten us on this.




I first met Bill at a home show and at that time his booth did look like a Shopsmith booth. He later changed things. Early on his intent was to sell rebuilt Shopsmith’s. Later he was trying to liquidate his parts supply. At the time he had Shopsmith parts everywhere it was great entertainment for me to see him finding what he needed. Again later on he organized and had a method to his disorder.😂

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Re: Powerpro Competitor

#258806 by P89DC » Thu Apr 11, 2019 1:05 pm

Over on OWWM.org it's very common to use a three phase motor and electronic controller to run off of 1ph power. It allows variable speed control. I've been looking at converting my JET 16.5" drill press to this set up. It wouldn't be much of a stretch to use a 3 phase motor in a Shopsmith power head with a controller outside the head. I'm pretty sure they're calling this kind of setup "DVR". The only issues are mounting the motor on the power head, setting up pulleys and mounting the controller. Cost of motor and controller is ~$150.

3 phase motors with digital control have replaced mechanical transmissions in most high and medium level washing machines. The technology is very reliable.

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