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Re: Shopsmith Large Format Drawings, Illustrations and More

#249209 by everettdavis » Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:05 pm

Some of the early drawings for Greenies left me scratching my head, along with some of the early nomenclature....

Thank God we don't call the internet "The Worldwide Interdigitary"

I presume they used that word to help envision a web of the interface of the Motor / Fan Sheave Assembly. If it walks like a duck.... oh well I thought some of you would enjoy it.

Everett

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That shows the belt and sheaves to be in high speed position. The motor pulley is indeed closed and the idler pulley is open.

Why the "?"?

It also shows a non-clutched drive sleeve.

P.S. It is now a spring loaded "floating" sheave (with interlocking fingers). :D

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The drive sleeve shown is also a lot longer, (extends into the back of the quill).

Oh, and the Power Take-offs made me chuckle. :)

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Re: Shopsmith Large Format Drawings, Illustrations and More

#249213 by everettdavis » Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:13 am

JPG wrote:That shows the belt and sheaves to be in high speed position. The motor pulley is indeed closed and the idler pulley is open.

Why the "?"?

It also shows a non-clutched drive sleeve.

P.S. It is now a spring loaded "floating" sheave (with interlocking fingers). :D


The ?

Look at the drive belt and how the sheaves are drawn, then envision it opening up and tracking the gap as they open.

It just looks off to me. Optics I guess.

Bill Mayo said there was a non-clutched drive sleeve.

Everett

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everettdavis wrote:
JPG wrote:That shows the belt and sheaves to be in high speed position. The motor pulley is indeed closed and the idler pulley is open.

Why the "?"?

It also shows a non-clutched drive sleeve.

P.S. It is now a spring loaded "floating" sheave (with interlocking fingers). :D


The ?

Look at the drive belt and how the sheaves are drawn, then envision it opening up and tracking the gap as they open.

It just looks off to me. Optics I guess.

Bill Mayo said there was a non-clutched drive sleeve.

Everett


I envision the sheave(s) as if it were sliced which is the purpose of a 'cut away' view. Requires some perspective(x-ray mind :cool: ). Realize the cross sectional shape varies around the axis (those pesky digits and the interstitial space between them). The motor pulley is shown with the it fully closed and the interdigitary meshing complete(low area accepting high area) whereas the idler pulley is shown open with the cross section NOT *** aligned with the high/low areas of the sheaves.

*** NOPE!!!! The idler puller IS drawn with the cross section coincident with the center of the fingers etc.. I took another look after making misstatement above.

P.S. Note it shows a Franklin motor.

P.P.S. Note the proximity of the bearing retaining clip to the Gilmer belt!

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Re: Shopsmith Large Format Drawings, Illustrations and More

#249243 by everettdavis » Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:05 pm

JPG wrote:That shows the belt and sheaves to be in high speed position. The motor pulley is indeed closed and the idler pulley is open.

It also shows a non-clutched drive sleeve.

P.S. It is now a spring loaded "floating" sheave (with interlocking fingers). :D


I mentioned that Bill Mayo had seen some of the earliest Greenies that did not have the gilmer/clutch assembly, rather direct drive.

One of his posts discusses that. viewtopic.php?p=110806&sid=22b519968dc76692ae92bbc9ff993327#p110806

This additional drawing that came from 1954 Hans cache of documents and clippings illustrated this in October 1954. Had they had the Clutch Drive Assembly in production, one would have presumed they would have illustrated that in the Oct 1954 article as they could have touted the new feature and protections it offered.

Everett

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There's that word again! :D

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Re: Shopsmith Large Format Drawings, Illustrations and More

#249375 by smokeshow » Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:12 pm

This information is almost invaluable!

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Re: Shopsmith Large Format Drawings, Illustrations and More

#249407 by everettdavis » Sun Jun 17, 2018 2:51 am

I just uploaded a file I had meant to upload for months.

It is a cross sectional drawing of the speed control mechanism.

So Happy Father's Day folks.

File is under My Google Drive in "Drawings - Mark V & Mark 7" folder, which I suspect will get renamed to "Drawings - Mark 5 / V & Mark 7" at some point in the future as I begin documenting the original Mark 5 as more viable source materials are located for the Mark 5.

Everett

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Re: Shopsmith Large Format Drawings, Illustrations and More

#249542 by everettdavis » Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:57 am

Update 6/22/2018 - Magna 4E Owner's Guide from Hans files

In Hans Goldschmidt folder under My Google Drive

Everett

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