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Re: Model 10E for sale

#256896 by chapmanruss » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:34 pm

Ron,

For the pulleys the position, as you point out, is important as it shows in the picture.

I believe you are referring to the 10E for sale in Texas for the following comment that is part of the Shopsmith 10E Shaper Fence? thread.
Picture 13 in the ad is a home made guard/dust collector for the sanding disk,
I remember I had commented on that elsewhere. Also the original poster for this thread wasn't showing a Jig Saw. :eek: Is that from the Texas sale too.

I get mixed up sometimes too. Example - Even though I had restored over a dozen Model 10's I was doing the table alignment of a newly restored Model 10 and couldn't figure why I could not get the table to align front to back. It finally came to me that I had attached the rear table bearing P/N 103-4 upside down. Something that doesn't make a difference on a Mark 5 but certainly does on a Model 10.

So many Shopsmiths running through my head and so little brain power left to even keep them straight.

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Mark V 520 S/N 09-11-01 completely upgraded to Mark 7, with all SPT's & more.
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ Shopsmith metal ends & retractable casters. Has Speed Changer, Model 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E S/N 1077 oldest one I have restored. On bench w/ Shopsmith metal ends & retractable casters.

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Re: Model 10E for sale

#256916 by JPG » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:09 pm

chapmanruss wrote:Ron,

For the pulleys the position, as you point out, is important as it shows in the picture.

I believe you are referring to the 10E for sale in Texas for the following comment that is part of the Shopsmith 10E Shaper Fence? thread.
Picture 13 in the ad is a home made guard/dust collector for the sanding disk,
I remember I had commented on that elsewhere. Also the original poster for this thread wasn't showing a Jig Saw. :eek: Is that from the Texas sale too.

I get mixed up sometimes too. Example - Even though I had restored over a dozen Model 10's I was doing the table alignment of a newly restored Model 10 and couldn't figure why I could not get the table to align front to back. It finally came to me that I had attached the rear table bearing P/N 103-4 upside down. Something that doesn't make a difference on a Mark 5 but certainly does on a Model 10.

So many Shopsmiths running through my head and so little brain power left to even keep them straight.


I indeed does make a difference on a Mark 5. A good way to break it is to mount it upside down and tighten the bolts. :(

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Re: Model 10E for sale

#256922 by chapmanruss » Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:38 pm

JPG,
I believe we are talking about different parts. On the early Model 10E P/N 103-4 is called the Rear Table Bearing. It's counterpart on the early Mark 5 tables is P/N B 2295 Trunnion - Rear.
103-4 Table Bearing r.jpg
From an early Model 10E
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From an early Mark 5 Manual
Trunnion Rear.png (50.8 KiB) Viewed 637 times
In both cases the part remained the same during their production of the Model 10's and the original table system of the Mark 5 A.K.A Mark V 500. In the case of the Mark 5 there is no up or down side.

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Mark V 520 S/N 09-11-01 completely upgraded to Mark 7, with all SPT's & more.
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ Shopsmith metal ends & retractable casters. Has Speed Changer, Model 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E S/N 1077 oldest one I have restored. On bench w/ Shopsmith metal ends & retractable casters.

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Re: Model 10E for sale

#256923 by jsburger » Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:49 pm

The first 10E I refurbed I did the same thing. I got the pivot bracket wrong and it took me a while to figure out what was wrong.

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Re: Model 10E for sale

#256928 by JPG » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:29 pm

chapmanruss wrote:JPG,
I believe we are talking about different parts. On the early Model 10E P/N 103-4 is called the Rear Table Bearing. It's counterpart on the early Mark 5 tables is P/N B 2295 Trunnion - Rear.
103-4 Table Bearing r.jpgTrunnion Rear.pngIn both cases the part remained the same during their production of the Model 10's and the original table system of the Mark 5 A.K.A Mark V 500. In the case of the Mark 5 there is no up or down side.


IF that be the case, WHY is the word "TOP" cast into the side with the bump which will interfere if installed upside down?

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Re: Model 10E for sale

#256947 by chapmanruss » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:34 am

JPG,
I didn't realize I had one until I just went out and looked. I believe it is from a 80's Mark V Original Table System. You are correct, it has a raised bump which has TOP stamped into it. Still not sure what that would hit if it was upside down. I do not have a complete original table assembly to check it out but since you do I will agree with you that there must be a reason. Below is the one I found.
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Mark V 520 S/N 09-11-01 completely upgraded to Mark 7, with all SPT's & more.
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ Shopsmith metal ends & retractable casters. Has Speed Changer, Model 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E S/N 1077 oldest one I have restored. On bench w/ Shopsmith metal ends & retractable casters.

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Re: Model 10E for sale

#256968 by JPG » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:33 pm

A lousy pix, but the "BUMP" will hit the underside of the table if the bearing is installed upside down.
REAR TRUNION BEARING B.jpg
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BTW "TOP" is for the assembly person who installs it at the factory. Sorta like laying sod green side up! :D

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Goldie(Bought New SN 377425)/4" jointer/6" beltsander/12" planer/stripsander/bandsaw/powerstation /Scroll saw/Jig saw /Craftsman 10" ras/Craftsman 6" thicknessplaner/ Dayton10"tablesaw(restoredfromneighborstrashpile)/ Mark VII restoration in 'progress'/ 10E(SN E3779) restoration in progress, a 510 on the back burner and a growing pile of items to be eventually returned to useful life. - aka Red Grange

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Re: Model 10E for sale

#257077 by amboyna » Sat Feb 16, 2019 10:03 pm

GrampsolSS has not responded to my PM. Wonder if they sold it.

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Shopsmith 10E S/N 5804 being restored.
Shopsmith 10ER S/N R39267; purchased 10-10-50 in San Francisco.
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