Need a New Blade for that Combination Square?
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Need a New Blade for that Combination Square?
There is a thread here on the forum regarding combination squares. After reading that, I got to looking at mine and decided I needed a new blade. I went looking and found a site that I thought I would pass on.
I got mine yesterday, three days after I ordered it. I could not be more pleased and it cost me only $10.00. I did not know who the manufacturer would be. The site does not say. All I knew was that I was getting a 12" ruler, graduated as I wanted and that it would have some cosmetic defects. A quality control reject. There are two blemishes neither of which effect my ability to read the markings. The blade I received was manufactured for Products Engineering and was Made in the USA.
If the blades on your combination squares are hard to read, messed up from being dropped on the concrete floor or whatever - you might want to check these folks out.
http://scales-rules.com/collections/com ... blade-only
I got mine yesterday, three days after I ordered it. I could not be more pleased and it cost me only $10.00. I did not know who the manufacturer would be. The site does not say. All I knew was that I was getting a 12" ruler, graduated as I wanted and that it would have some cosmetic defects. A quality control reject. There are two blemishes neither of which effect my ability to read the markings. The blade I received was manufactured for Products Engineering and was Made in the USA.
If the blades on your combination squares are hard to read, messed up from being dropped on the concrete floor or whatever - you might want to check these folks out.
http://scales-rules.com/collections/com ... blade-only
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Re: Need a New Blade for that Combination Square?
WORD of CAUTION
Combination square blades are not necessarily interchangeable. The blade that I just purchased will not fit into my Stanley head. The blade is thicker that the Stanley blade.
Combination square blades are not necessarily interchangeable. The blade that I just purchased will not fit into my Stanley head. The blade is thicker that the Stanley blade.
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Re: Need a New Blade for that Combination Square?
Well, that's a bummer.
dusty wrote:WORD of CAUTION
Combination square blades are not necessarily interchangeable. The blade that I just purchased will not fit into my Stanley head. The blade is thicker that the Stanley blade.
Re: Need a New Blade for that Combination Square?
Thanks for the heads up Dusty.
They also have good deals on rigid and flexible rules from 6" to 48" in a variety of graduations.
Jim
They also have good deals on rigid and flexible rules from 6" to 48" in a variety of graduations.
Jim
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Mark 7, Mark VII, Mark V 520, Mark V 510 x 2, Mark V 500
SPT's - Band Saw, Jig Saw, Belt Sander, Jointer, strip sander, Oscillating Sander, Speed Increaser
SS Freestanding - Pro Planer, Scroll Saw, Overarm Pin Router, Power Station, DC3000 x 2
Made for SS - Incra iBox, Ring Master
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Re: Need a New Blade for that Combination Square?
Don't mean to hijack the thread, but HF has a 6" and 12" stainless, etched rulers for $1.99.
I bought the 6" and it's accurate down to 1/64th. Although, that really doesn't matter. To my way of thinking, measurements are all relative, anyway.
I'm not a machinist, if you couldn't tell.
I bought the 6" and it's accurate down to 1/64th. Although, that really doesn't matter. To my way of thinking, measurements are all relative, anyway.
I'm not a machinist, if you couldn't tell.
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Re: Need a New Blade for that Combination Square?
Good News: The blade works in my other combination square. Bad News: It did not correct the inaccuracies that brought this discussion to light.Gene Howe wrote:Don't mean to hijack the thread, but HF has a 6" and 12" stainless, etched rulers for $1.99.
I bought the 6" and it's accurate down to 1/64th. Although, that really doesn't matter. To my way of thinking, measurements are all relative, anyway.
I'm not a machinist, if you couldn't tell.
Now to another point. How accurate does the combination square really need to be? It is a marking tool. Most of the time the cuts (at least mine) are made with the table saw whiling using the miter gauge. My combination square(s) are about equally inaccurate (1/32" over 12"). When I do use a hand saw, that degree of inaccuracy in the mark is the least of my worries.
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Re: Need a New Blade for that Combination Square?
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Good News: The blade works in my other combination square. Bad News: It did not correct the inaccuracies that brought this discussion to light.
Now to another point. How accurate does the combination square really need to be? It is a marking tool. Most of the time the cuts (at least mine) are made with the table saw whiling using the miter gauge. My combination square(s) are about equally inaccurate (1/32" over 12"). When I do use a hand saw, that degree of inaccuracy in the mark is the least of my worries.[/quote]
Exactly so X 2!
Good News: The blade works in my other combination square. Bad News: It did not correct the inaccuracies that brought this discussion to light.
Now to another point. How accurate does the combination square really need to be? It is a marking tool. Most of the time the cuts (at least mine) are made with the table saw whiling using the miter gauge. My combination square(s) are about equally inaccurate (1/32" over 12"). When I do use a hand saw, that degree of inaccuracy in the mark is the least of my worries.[/quote]
Exactly so X 2!
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Re: Need a New Blade for that Combination Square?
dusty wrote:Good News: The blade works in my other combination square. Bad News: It did not correct the inaccuracies that brought this discussion to light.Gene Howe wrote:Don't mean to hijack the thread, but HF has a 6" and 12" stainless, etched rulers for $1.99.
I bought the 6" and it's accurate down to 1/64th. Although, that really doesn't matter. To my way of thinking, measurements are all relative, anyway.
I'm not a machinist, if you couldn't tell.
Now to another point. How accurate does the combination square really need to be? It is a marking tool. Most of the time the cuts (at least mine) are made with the table saw whiling using the miter gauge. My combination square(s) are about equally inaccurate (1/32" over 12"). When I do use a hand saw, that degree of inaccuracy in the mark is the least of my worries.
Accuracy and resolution are two different things.
If a combination square isn't accurate(90 and 45)the blade is not the cause unless bent(not straight).
Resolution is the distance separating the closest marks.
Accuracy is the maximum deviation from precise location of those marks.
The head is usually cast and the machining of the reference edges affects angular accuracy.
The blade has an internal reference surface(s) in the head that the blade slides against that also affects the angular accuracy.
Very fine resolution with poor accuracy is still inaccurate.
A cut off 1/32" over 12" off will create about .15 degree error.
Good enough? Depends upon what ye be making.
I think paying attention to the miter gauge(or sled or whatever) is more productive to accurate(square) cuts than the 'layout device'. Trouble is, we use that 'layout device' as a check after the cut.
That is why the 5 cut or opposing corner test of the gauge/sled are better ways to 'check for square'. Then all things being perfectly aligned in the universe assumed, your cuts will always be square(ignoring technique ).
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Re: Need a New Blade for that Combination Square?
(slaps head) As long in the tooth as I am, I'm still finding that I'm doing things that make little sense. Thanks (I think) for showing me another, JPG.I think paying attention to the miter gauge(or sled or whatever) is more productive to accurate(square) cuts than the 'layout device'. Trouble is, we use that 'layout device' as a check after the cut.
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Re: Need a New Blade for that Combination Square?
Gene Howe wrote:(slaps head) As long in the tooth as I am, I'm still finding that I'm doing things that make little sense. Thanks (I think) for showing me another, JPG.I think paying attention to the miter gauge(or sled or whatever) is more productive to accurate(square) cuts than the 'layout device'. Trouble is, we use that 'layout device' as a check after the cut.
Nothing 'wrong' with doing that. It simply is expedient. But it is not 'the best'.
It will make gross 'mishandling' evident.
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