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Re: Laying in my truck bed...

#249868 by thunderbirdbat » Wed Jul 04, 2018 1:36 pm

Started disassembly today. The quill was barely on the quill feed pinion and there was no tension on the pinion. Not sure if it is of interest but the quill has 6 splines. I got the belt cover off and noticed one of the ears for the idler shaft was broken off so I will have to replace the headstock casting. You can just see it at the top of the picture where the tab and main casting meet.
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I know that different motors were used at different times so if it help narrow the manufacture year the motor is a Franklin.

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1998 510 upgraded to a 520, upgraded to power pro with double tilt and lift assist.
1998 bandsaw
2016 beltsander
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Re: Laying in my truck bed...

#249873 by thunderbirdbat » Wed Jul 04, 2018 6:20 pm

I have the headstock mostly disassembled. The Gilmer drive may be one of the early ones. I only see one set screw located on the groove end. I need to get a bearing puller before I can tell for sure. It does look different from the pictures of Mickyd's Gilmer drive. https://www.shopsmith.com/ss_forum/viewtopic.php?p=32871#post32871 The inside bearing got stuck in the headstock casting and pulled off.

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1998 510 upgraded to a 520, upgraded to power pro with double tilt and lift assist.
1998 bandsaw
2016 beltsander
jointer
overarm pin router

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Re: Laying in my truck bed...

#249878 by JPG » Wed Jul 04, 2018 6:41 pm

Gotta agree with that conclusion.

IIRC Nick has stated the headstock CAN be welded.

Got any good welder friends???

FWIW, the bearing retaining clip looks 'thick' and there is only one. Possibly another early Mark 5 variation?

P.S. Interesting lock nut as well(OEM?????)

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Re: Laying in my truck bed...

#249901 by chapmanruss » Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:11 pm

Brenda,
Great pictures of the drive parts. Your Greenie appears to be a very early one. The drive pulley without the clutch was only used for a short time according to Everett's research and information from my first Mark 5 manual. The Bearing Retainer for the idler shaft was not on the first machines but was added soon as the problem of the bearing not staying in place showed up. When included on the eccentric mount it was in pairs. I wonder if yours was an addition and not original. Either way your Greenie was made within the first few months of the release of the Mark 5. What we believe is the second manual, that Wiley has, shows the drive sleeve assembly with the clutch and came out in mid 1954.

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Re: Laying in my truck bed...

#249904 by thunderbirdbat » Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:02 pm

I opened the box that came with the Greenie today. Placed some items into a container of Evaporust to soak. It will take a while to go through all the different small parts to figure out what they go to. I think there are a couple of shaper arbors, a dado arbor and a 1/4" router arbor at least on the bottom layer.
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Of note speed change dial, 3" faceplate, mortise hold down
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Mortising attachment with bit, table insert, tool holder
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Screw center, miter gauge with hold down, drum sander insert and under the miter gauge a drum sander
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Brenda

1998 510 upgraded to a 520, upgraded to power pro with double tilt and lift assist.
1998 bandsaw
2016 beltsander
jointer
overarm pin router

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Re: Laying in my truck bed...

#249905 by everettdavis » Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:18 pm

Something I had been toying with is using a plastic deck inspection port from a local marine shop for less than $10 on one I have when I get to that machine.

I could easily drill the two holes to push the SS medallion onto it and pin it with the clips in the back side of the cap just as it was on the back of the headstock.

I had planned to use some bolts and Nylok nuts, using a small nut as spacers to level it out on the curved surface of the headstock. A bit of JB Weld and it would look like it came from the Factory and it would provide an exceptional access port for lubrication of the control sheave etc..

Everett
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Re: Laying in my truck bed...

#250111 by thunderbirdbat » Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:08 pm

The eccentric is different from later Greenies as well. This one does not have the set screw in the side of it and it has a split like the later models without the screw in the end of it.
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Brenda

1998 510 upgraded to a 520, upgraded to power pro with double tilt and lift assist.
1998 bandsaw
2016 beltsander
jointer
overarm pin router

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Re: Laying in my truck bed...

#250123 by everettdavis » Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:41 am

So it's the new eccentric. What does the idler shaft look like?

Everett

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Re: Laying in my truck bed...

#250128 by thunderbirdbat » Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:33 am

everettdavis wrote:So it's the new eccentric. What does the idler shaft look like?

Everett


I am not sure if it is the new eccentric. I pulled out the parts from my 1998 510 that I removed with the PP upgrade to compare the parts to just to make sure everything was in good condition. The eccentric from that and the one from the Greenie are similar but at the same time not exactly the same. The one from the Greenie does not have the tapped hole for the screw.

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I also compared the idler shafts. They look almost identical.

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Brenda

1998 510 upgraded to a 520, upgraded to power pro with double tilt and lift assist.
1998 bandsaw
2016 beltsander
jointer
overarm pin router

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Re: Laying in my truck bed...

#250175 by JPG » Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:03 pm

Since your "A" greenie has the bearing retaining clip I would expect the eccentric to not have the 5/16-18 tapped hole for the cone point set screw. IIRC the clip prevents both the eccentric and the bearing from slipping out.

If I do NOT recall correctly, your eccentric is likely an early version that preceded the inclusion of the bearing set screw.

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